(Scroll down to skip my summary and go straight to the interview)
On February 19, a group of students calling themselves Take Back NYU!* occupied the Kimmel Center Marketplace, a dining hall inside a student union building at 60 Washington Square Park South. The 70 initial occupiers (18 by the time university police stormed the cafeteria and handed out suspension letters reading “You are suspended from, and classified as a persona non grata at New York University”) barricaded the dining room doors, hung banners from the balcony, and refused to leave until the university agreed to negotiate with them over the group’s demands. The 40-hour occupation is already two weeks old; the suspended students un-suspended; the debate rages on.
TBNYU!’s list of demands focuses on budget transparency, tuition stabilization, and justice for NYU workers, but includes public access to NYU’s library and, most controversially, “Annual scholarships be provided for thirteen Palestinian students” and “That the university donates all excess supplies and materials in an effort to rebuild the University of Gaza.” Some have criticized the demands as scattered and pointedly anti-Israel. Clara Green responds in a New York City IndyMedia article that “it is crucial to recognize that all progressive social movements are inextricably linked together. As Martin Luther King made clear towards the end of his life, it was impossible to struggle within the civil rights movement without simultaneously struggling against the Vietnam War and all forms of American imperialism.”
The tone of Green’s article is reflected in TBNYU!’s website; though I was surprised by some of the passionate rhetoric, I couldn’t help but admire how well-thought out it all was, how measured and conscientious the responses to comments and questions. However, the student response to TBNYU! has been mixed at best. Some students created Facebook groups calling for the end of the occupation; many were just peeved to be missing out on the yo-lat-o (that’s right—yogurt gelato) peddled at Kimmel Marketplace. Editorials and letters continue to fly back and forth in NYU’s student paper, Washington Square News, in a battle royale that makes the venomous Gaza-sniping in the Cornell Daily Sun seem fit for a finishing school tea-party. Even the Sun weighed in; Eric Finklestein in his column of February 23rd compared the “Kimmel 18” to the “Redbud 8.” This week in dig for fire we reprint (with apologies for the long preamble) an email interview with Clara Green, Take Back NYU!’s informal spokesperson. For more information, read Green’s article at New York City Indymedia (link above), or visit takebacknyu.com.
Dig for Fire: How did Take Back NYU! get started? How did you progress from being a group of students who all happened to share the same frustrations to an organization? What’s the structure of your organization like, and how do you make decisions?
Green: TBNYU started two years ago as a coalition of students interested in disclosure of the budget. We felt we were incapable of exerting a say in how our university was run if we didn’t know how our money was being spent. We are nonhierarchical and we make consensus-based decisions so that every person’s voice has just as much power as those beside them.
Dff: In Fall 2008, TBNYU! Hosted “Have your school and eat it too,” “an edible exploration to imagine an ideal university.” Sounds pretty awesome. Describe it? How did it work out? Highlights?
Green: We attempted to build versions of the university we desired through food. The point was to get people thinking about what our school currently is and what it could one day be. We wanted people to engage in critical dialogue and start thinking about their role in the university - what does a student mean? Are we here just for the classes? Are we consumers? That sort of thing.
Dff: How did the occupation end? Did the same group of students stay for the entire 40 hours?
Green: Students came and went during the occupation. Ultimately it ended when the NYU guards busted in and took out the remaining 18 students. Throughout the occupation, I would say around 100 people came and went.
Dff: Was anyone hurt? Any particularly scary moments?
Green: People were roughed around some by cops but no one inside was seriously hurt. Outside during the protests, countless individuals were massed, pushed, and hit by cops.
Dff: What is the most positive thing to come out of the Kimmel takeover? The most negative?
Green: Most positive is that we students asserted our voices and projected meaningful and necessary dissent. We didn’t allow the university to silence us and we stood up for what we believed.
Most negative was definitely the administration’s failure to negotiate with us.
Dff: What was your relationship with the University like before the occupation? Now?
Green: I’m more frustrated and angry with the university, but I also realize now just how necessary the occupation was, and how events like those are exactly what we need to force the administration to change their ways. It’s important to note that I love NYU - the education I have received is absolutely phenomenal and I’ve met some incredible students and professors. That’s why the suggestion that protestors leave NYU is invalid - we love this school and want to make it better.
Dff: We understand that the University administration sent out some pretty biased emails to the student body. Here at IC & Cornell, we obviously didn’t get a chance to see them. Any choice language you’d like to reprint here?
Green: Here’s what they wrote -
From: Lynne Brown- Office of the Senior Vice President
Subject: NYU STATEMENT ON EVENTS AT UNIVERSITY’S KIMMEL CENTER
Sent: Feb 20, 2009 3:42 PM
New York University is pleased to report that the students who sat in the Kimmel
Center’s cafeteria and disrupted services have peacefully exited the building.
Robust dialogue is a customary, normal, and expected part of the interaction
between students, faculty, and administration at NYU. But it is not appropriate
for it to take place while there is an ongoing violation of university rules.
Despite the protesters’ stated principles that the protest was to be
non-destructive and non-violent, the protesters, despite specific warnings to
stay off the Kimmel Center balcony, broke the lock to gain access to the
balcony. The protesters also injured an NYU security officer during a scuffle.
These actions dishonor NYU’s commitment to free exchange of ideas, reasoned
debate, and legitimate forms of protest.
From the outset, the University made clear to the protesters that they were
violating the University rules and engaging in improper activity. Nonetheless,
the University offered to sit down and have a dialogue with the students if they
left the cafeteria early the night of February 19.
The 18 students who stayed through the night of February 19–after rejecting the
University’s offer to leave the building–have been suspended pending the
outcome of the university’s disciplinary process.
No students who were participating in the demonstration in the Kimmel Center
cafeteria were arrested by the New York Police Department.
None of the students’ demands was met. [sic]
Dff: How has the student body at large reacted to TBNYU!? Apathy, hostility, support?
Green: I think all of the above. A lot of people don’t understand what we’re doing, a lot of people don’t know, and a lot of people are sticking by us. It’s complicated and difficult to see students standing against us, but we must always remember that it is our duty to show them what we’re fighting for and why it’s absolutely essential.
Dff: Here at Cornell, we’re in the midst of a very visible, very heated debate over the war in Gaza. In your demands, you ask “That the university donates all excess supplies and materials in an effort to rebuild the University of Gaza.” In the website’s FAQ, the reason given is that “our school very likely helped destroy it” and “The chairman of the investment committee on NYU’s board of trustees, Michael Steinhardt, is an avid supporter of pro-zionist causes that condone and perpetuate Israeli violence and oppression.” Does it concern you that TBNYU! might alienate students who are pro-Israel, but who also want budget transparency?
Green: A lot of people disliked this demand, but TBNYU students cannot be silenced about the Israel/Palestine conflict just because it’s a contentious issue. We stand against the actions of the Israeli state because we believe they are an apartheid state. It would be incredibly inconsistent to fight other injustices across the globe and not stand up for the rights of Palestinians.
Dff: When will TBNYU! consider that it’s achieved its aims? Are there goals which are more important than others? Do you see progress being made?
Green: We were massively successful in the occupation for many reasons, but of course we still want our demands met. The central goal of the TBNYU campaign is and always has been full disclosure of the budget, and we won’t stop until we get our demands met.
*Yes, the exclamation point is part of the title; read about it here. Fascinatingly, this little typographical quirk makes it impossible to write about the group without seeming to advocate for it, as the title may catch they eye and be read as a complete sentence. Punctuation: ain’t it neat?